Talk Session 2: Frontier Research

The Future of Personalized Universal Agents

Ed Chi — VP of Research, Google DeepMind

Sunday, August 2 · Plenary Stage · 00:21:39–00:33:17 · afternoon stream

Framing three decades as "only three ideas per era that really mattered" — indexing, vector space models, deep learning; then sequential transduction, chain of thought, post-training — he argues the next decade moves from ranking to personalized reasoning, and that training must shift from bottom-up RL toward top-down teaching, the way we teach children.

TL;DR

  • He opens by calling himself a slow learner with impostor syndrome: 200+ papers published, maybe 10 he's proud of. The talk is a retrospective on the handful of ideas per era that actually mattered.
  • First two decades (information retrieval): indexing (the library as humanity's first great invention), vector space models, deep neural networks. Search and recommendation are fundamentally sorting — and so is next-token prediction.
  • His confession: in 1992 his PhD advisor John Riedl proposed applying vector space models to user–item matrices instead of document–term matrices — the birth of recommender systems — and Ed told him it was a dumb idea.
  • 2015–2025, three ideas: sequential transduction (the phrase opening the Transformer abstract), next-idea prediction via chain of thought, and post-training. In hindsight, he says, we should have called them large reasoning models.
  • His critique of the field: too much bottom-up processing, especially RL. You don't just hit a kid when they get it wrong — you explain. Chain of thought is that explanation, and distillation only works because of the reasoning traces it produces.
  • Next decade: from ranking to assistants that actually reason about your taste. His own work at Google is now narrowed to reasoning and planning.

Key Points

The frame: three ideas per era (~00:22–00:26)

As a scientist, he says, what he cared about was never the next paper but the next big idea — and it took him a long time to see which ideas mattered.

Three ideas from information retrieval, spanning his first two decades:

  1. Indexing. The library is, in his opinion, humankind's first great invention, and it is built on indexing. In the 90s that became MapReduce and web-scale search engines.
  2. Vector space models. word2vec took the ten-year test-of-time award a few years ago; its core idea was using neural networks to compute relationships between words so machines could grasp semantics.
  3. Deep neural networks (2010–2015).

Wedged in between is the confession about John Riedl and user–item matrices.

The unifying claim: once supercomputers arrived, the one thing we got dramatically better at was sorting. Search, recommendation, the whole internet ecosystem run on sorting and ranking — and next-token prediction is sorting too, ranking the most likely next word.

He anchors the compute arc with a comparison: the supercomputer he used as a 1992 grad student versus the 1,690 GFLOPS phone in his pocket — nearly a thousand times more compute. "We're all walking around with like a thousand supercomputers in our pocket."

2015–2025: transduction, chain of thought, post-training (~00:26–00:31)

He puts up the Transformer architecture figure everyone has seen and asks: have you actually read the paper? Then reads the first sentence of the abstract aloud, admits he had no idea what it meant the first time, and gets at least half the room to raise their hands admitting the same.

His unpacking of transduction: the conversion of one energy wave into another. You are experiencing it right now — his microphone turns sound into electrical waves, the hall's speakers turn them back into sound, and your ear is itself a transducer whose membrane vibrates into neurons that carry information into your brain. So the big idea around 2014 was marrying sequential transduction with neural networks — and crucially, it wasn't invented in the ether, it rested on a cognitive understanding of how our brains communicate. The resulting universal computational model can absorb multimodal data and handle many languages at once.

The second idea came from a plain question he and Denny Zhou asked at Google Brain: can we teach machines the way we teach our children? One thing was clearly wrong. When your kid gets something wrong, you (hopefully) don't just hit them — but that's exactly how we were training machines. Give them an explanation instead. That became chain of thought, i.e. top-down processing.

His critique follows immediately: the industry does far too much bottom-up processing, particularly with RL. And a consequence people underrate — distillation works because of the chain-of-thought reasoning traces. Moving from next-token prediction to next-idea prediction is what started the whole reasoning field.

Hence: in retrospect we should have said large reasoning models, because reasoning is what we actually care about.

Third idea: post-training, which he leaves to the other speakers on the stage.

2025–2035: from ranking to personalized reasoning (~00:31–00:33)

Picking the compute thread back up: a single latest-generation TPU chip now dwarfs the Cray Y-MP from the start of his talk by an astronomical factor (exact multiplier and chip generation flagged under To Verify) — "that's definitely going to burn a hole in your pocket."

Then a short demo video. A user holds up a stack of books a friend has been reading and asks how to describe her taste; the assistant answers "a mix of history, biography, and perhaps a touch of political or social commentary." Asked which one she'd like most, it picks Half of a Yellow Sun for its exploration of complex social and political issues in a historical setting, aligning with her interest in narratives about significant periods.

His line: that is not just sorting and ranking anymore — that's where personal assistants are going.

He closes on the slide he showed on this same stage a year ago: the ideas were already there, and now everybody is talking about agents. The next decade's ideas are already happening — self-improvement (as Richard just covered), multimodality, tool use, multi-step complex reasoning. His own work at Google is now focused purely on reasoning and planning, because that's where the future is.

Quotes

"In 1992, my PhD adviser John Riedl came to me and said, 'What if we use those vector space models and applied them to user–item matrices instead of document–term matrices?' … and I told him it was a dumb idea." (~00:24)

He voted against recommender systems at the moment of their birth.

"What is sequential transduction? What the f does that even mean?" (~00:27)

"When you teach your kids, I hope every time they get it wrong, you don't just hit them. But that was the way that we were teaching our machines." (~00:29)

The origin of chain of thought, in one image.

"In retrospect I wish we had not called it large language models; rather we should have been calling them large reasoning models." (~00:30)

"Now that is not just sorting and ranking anymore, is it? That is where personal assistance is going." (~00:32)

Thirty years of sorting, turning a corner on one demo video.

提到的專案與資源 / Projects & Resources

名稱 Name 說明 Description 備註 Notes
word2vec 向量空間模型的代表作,幾年前獲十年 test-of-time 獎 Vector space model landmark; won a ten-year test-of-time award
Chain of Thought prompting 他與 Denny Zhou 等人的工作,把 next token prediction 推向 next idea prediction His work with Denny Zhou and others; moved the field from next-token to next-idea prediction 起源故事見同場 panel(約 01:12–01:14)/ origin story told in the panel (~01:12–01:14)
"Attention Is All You Need" 他現場逐句拆解摘要第一句的 "sequence transduction" He reads and unpacks "sequence transduction" from the abstract's first sentence
Cray Y-MP 他 1992 年當研究生時用的超級電腦,全場算力對照的基準 The supercomputer he used as a 1992 grad student; the baseline for his compute comparisons panel 中他給的數字是 2.6 GFLOPS / he cites 2.6 GFLOPS in the panel
Half of a Yellow Sun demo 影片中助理推薦的書 The book the assistant recommends in the demo video Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie 著
LaMDA / Bard / Gemini / Project Astra 主持人介紹中提到的他在 Google 參與的產品線 Product lines he worked on at Google, per the moderator's intro

逐字稿勘誤 / Transcript Corrections

字幕原文 Heard as 應為 Should be
Etchie / ad Ed Chi
John Rele John Riedl
Danny Zhao Denny Zhou
wordtovec / word tovec word2vec
Lambda(模型) LaMDA
Xerox Spark Xerox PARC
sik chi academy SIGCHI Academy
C create Cray YMP / create YMP Cray Y-MP
train of thought chain of thought
20110 to 2015 2010 to 2015
imposttor syndrome impostor syndrome
document turn matrices document–term matrices
mindbrain(耳朵裡的) membrane

待確認 / To Verify

  • 字幕作 "a single V8 TPU chip now is 4.7 times more computation than the Cray Y-MP"。兩處都可疑:Google 第八代 TPU(8t / 8i)在 2026 Cloud Next 只是預覽、目標 2027 量產,現役旗艦是第七代 Ironwood;而「4.7 倍」與他自己給的 Cray Y-MP 2.6 GFLOPS 對照明顯不合(數量級應為百萬倍)。需看投影片確認世代與倍率。/ The caption says "a single V8 TPU chip now is 4.7 times more computation than the Cray Y-MP." Both parts look wrong: Google's 8th-gen TPUs (8t/8i) were only previewed at Cloud Next 2026 for a 2027 launch, and 4.7× is inconsistent with his own 2.6 GFLOPS figure for the Cray Y-MP (the real ratio is on the order of millions). Check the slide.
  • demo 影片是哪一個產品(Project Astra?Gemini app?)講者未指名。/ The demo video is not named on stage — Project Astra? the Gemini app?
  • 他說 word2vec 拿的是「十年 test of time 獎」,未指明是哪個會議(NeurIPS)。/ He doesn't name the venue for the word2vec test-of-time award.
  • 他提到台下的 "Vincent"(2015–2025 那三個想法的見證人),身分未明。/ The "Vincent" he acknowledges in the audience is unidentified.
  • 他說 1992 年 John Riedl 提出 user–item 矩陣的想法;推薦系統文獻通常把 GroupLens 定在 1994 年,年份待對。/ He dates the user–item matrix conversation to 1992; the recommender-systems literature usually dates GroupLens to 1994.

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